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Possibility? What if there were over 144,000 partakers worldwide this year?

by Guest with Questions in

i have read a few threads regarding this issue and i'm wondering.

if the doors of 1935 are no longer closed, and the gates of heaven are open, and a person feels that they are now of the annointed, what's to stop the younger or new people from partaking?

does the possibility exist that more than 144,000 could partake worldwide?

Guest with Questions

Oompa: I'm not sure either. My understanding is that the 144,000 Jews will go throughout the world and preach to their own people about the good news, that Jesus died for all; that he is everyone's Messiah. It makes the most sense to me at the moment.

I don't think the bible is implausable. I still believe it's the Word of God to man. It's man reading into it what they want that's the problem, especially with the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. I do believe that with an open heart things are revealed to us individually. But we do have to work at it by reading it for ourselves. Most of us leave our spiritual life to others and that is dangerous. I stumbled with one major issue a number of years ago and I did pray for guidance and do believe that I received that guidance. It's an amazing thing when it happens and it can happen for anyone if they are open to it, but it takes effort. I am reading the New Testament and I do pray for guidance. I hope I see things more clearly by really reading it.

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Possibility? What if there were over 144,000 partakers worldwide this year?

by Guest with Questions in

i have read a few threads regarding this issue and i'm wondering.

if the doors of 1935 are no longer closed, and the gates of heaven are open, and a person feels that they are now of the annointed, what's to stop the younger or new people from partaking?

does the possibility exist that more than 144,000 could partake worldwide?

Guest with Questions

momzcrazy: I think it's a wonderful idea that people should now be able to freely partake which should have been the case all along.

Chalam: I haven't read your posts but I agree with you that the 144,000 are Jews. One can't take part of a sentence figuratively and the other part literally. I still believe that the Jews have remained the chosen people. God has never broken his Covenant with them. As Gentiles we are now included in this Covenant (Epehesians 2:11-13) edited to include Eph 2:14-22

Oompa: as I mentioned to Chalam I believe that the 144,000 is a literal number but it's not annointed Jehovah Witnesses.

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Possibility? What if there were over 144,000 partakers worldwide this year?

by Guest with Questions in

i have read a few threads regarding this issue and i'm wondering.

if the doors of 1935 are no longer closed, and the gates of heaven are open, and a person feels that they are now of the annointed, what's to stop the younger or new people from partaking?

does the possibility exist that more than 144,000 could partake worldwide?

Guest with Questions

momzcrazy: What are you suggesting?

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Possibility? What if there were over 144,000 partakers worldwide this year?

by Guest with Questions in

i have read a few threads regarding this issue and i'm wondering.

if the doors of 1935 are no longer closed, and the gates of heaven are open, and a person feels that they are now of the annointed, what's to stop the younger or new people from partaking?

does the possibility exist that more than 144,000 could partake worldwide?

Guest with Questions

I have read a few threads regarding this issue and I'm wondering. If the doors of 1935 are no longer closed, and the gates of heaven are open, and a person feels that they are now of the annointed, what's to stop the younger or new people from partaking? Does the possibility exist that more than 144,000 could partake worldwide? Could that be too far fetched? If that were to happen would anyone even know if that did happen? Would there be controls set in place to ensure that this would never be disclosed?

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JWs teach Jesus is not their Mediator....see WT article!!

by Lady Liberty in

hello friends,.

many while jws, (myself included) were not aware that the organization teaches that jesus is the mediator for the 144,000 only!

i was so shocked to learn this, and i thought i would post this for all the newbies and lurkers.

Guest with Questions

I'm not sure if all witnesses know this fact. My mother certainly wasn't aware of it when I asked her about a year ago. When witnesses came to my door more than a year ago I asked them who their Mediator was and their immediate response was Jesus. When I asked them again they said they didn't want to confuse me and that their Mediator was the Org. If they can't be up front and truthful with this issue what else are they witholding.

The bible clearly states that Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man.

1 Tim 2:3-5 This is good and pleases God our Saviour, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ, who gave himself as a ransom for all men.

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Can someone explain Paradise earth for me.

by Guest with Questions in

my mother has brought up this issue a few times lately and i'm a bit confused.

actually she says she's confused about it and doesn't know what to believe; that what she reads in the bible contradicts what the elders say.. she said that if you die before armegeddon you become an angel, so i assume that they will never marry or have children?

if you and your current spouse both survive armegeddon you continue to be married and have children?.

Guest with Questions

cc:

but ultimately it must be born in and grow in the heart of each individual. (Romans 10:17) Each of us must develop faith through personal conviction and acceptance, no one else can do it for us. When that is the case, and the faith is truly our own, we will enjoy a true and full sense of personal relationship with God and his Son. And when that is attained, for the first time may come a realization of just how much one was previously deprived.

I really only read the ending. Will read the rest later. I totally agree with that statement, that we are all personally responsible. I do tend to think that we become lazy and want things the easy way, for others to give us the answers and that can be a dangerous thing. At times it does feel like a landmine, trying to figure out the truth, and I continue to make mistakes and take scripture out of context. But I believe that when I ask for God's protection, that He will protect me from falsehood. If we focus on Jesus, that He is the truth, the way and the life, and not make it so complicated, then we may be on the right path. Ultimately it's our hearts, not our deeds, that are judged.

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Can someone explain Paradise earth for me.

by Guest with Questions in

my mother has brought up this issue a few times lately and i'm a bit confused.

actually she says she's confused about it and doesn't know what to believe; that what she reads in the bible contradicts what the elders say.. she said that if you die before armegeddon you become an angel, so i assume that they will never marry or have children?

if you and your current spouse both survive armegeddon you continue to be married and have children?.

Guest with Questions

parakeet: If you read both my threads you would realize that I was being sarcastic. I have never been nor will I ever be a witness. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I would think this was appealing, the slaughter of people solely because they didn't belong to the Jehovah Witness org.

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Can someone explain Paradise earth for me.

by Guest with Questions in

my mother has brought up this issue a few times lately and i'm a bit confused.

actually she says she's confused about it and doesn't know what to believe; that what she reads in the bible contradicts what the elders say.. she said that if you die before armegeddon you become an angel, so i assume that they will never marry or have children?

if you and your current spouse both survive armegeddon you continue to be married and have children?.

Guest with Questions

( I noticed that I absentmindedly put it in the scandal section, but maybe it's appropriate)

Thanks to all who responded. The whole thing always seemed so confusing and it still is.

One thing that is puzzling is, if Satan is chained, having no authority over anyone or anything, and Jesus reigns, how can people still stumble? And why did Jesus die (on the cross)? And why should the 144,000 have it so easy, while the rest have to struggle continually, never knowing if they will make it? What is it that makes the 144,000 so special?

No wonder JW's mental health is so poor. My mother is so afraid of death and she told me that her husband was afraid of dying. Most people don't want to die, but to be so afraid of it?

I know this religion is wrong on so many things. It isn't the truth. But if by some small chance they are right, I have no desire to be a part of it. I would rather be annihilated with all the people I love.

I believe in a loving and just God and this sure isn't loving or just; that I do start to wonder if JW's worship a different god.

I know there's many differing opinions on the subject. Some believe in a literal 1000yr reign, some believe it's figuritive. Jesus did say that his Kingdom was not of this world. I honestly don't know. I have been reading the New Testament starting with Matthew and will read Revelations again, hopefully without any preconceived ideas. I realize that you can't take verses out of context. One has to read the whole, not just Revelations, to get a clearer picture.

I have always told my mother that I didn't know what was going to happen, that I trusted, that whatever God did, it would be good. In a silly way, it's like getting an airline ticket to some exotic place from a dear trusted friend, you don't know where, but you know it will be good. It's been paid for and you don't have to do anything but be loving, trusting and accept that ticket.

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Can someone explain Paradise earth for me.

by Guest with Questions in

my mother has brought up this issue a few times lately and i'm a bit confused.

actually she says she's confused about it and doesn't know what to believe; that what she reads in the bible contradicts what the elders say.. she said that if you die before armegeddon you become an angel, so i assume that they will never marry or have children?

if you and your current spouse both survive armegeddon you continue to be married and have children?.

Guest with Questions

My mother has brought up this issue a few times lately and I'm a bit confused. Actually she says she's confused about it and doesn't know what to believe; that what she reads in the bible contradicts what the elders say.

She said that if you die before Armegeddon you become an angel, so I assume that they will never marry or have children? If you and your current spouse both survive Armegeddon you continue to be married and have children?

You spend the next 1000 years cleaning up the bodies that didn't make it through Armegeddon? You are never sure if you will be eliminated if you do wrong during this period? So basically you are tested during this life time and then tested again for 1000 years?

Someone on this board a while back mentioned that if there is no longer death, why will some people still be eliminated? Or is the promise of no more death or suffering not during the 1000 years but afterwards?

It all sounds very appealing.

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March 15th 2008 Watchtower Study Edition pdf here

by fokyc in

here is the link to the latest study edition of the watchtower:.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hwp3du.

it is ocr'd and ready for searching,.

Guest with Questions

fokyc: thanks for posting this.

Can anyone tell me when the average witness receives this copy and will this be distributed to the general public. Also, I'm still not clear if JW's claim that Elders are appointed by holy spirit. For personal reasons this is all important.